Really Annoying Change in MS Visual C++ Version 7 - Control-B

[M***@excite.com]

In MSVC++ Version 6, if you wanted to control break points, you just
did control-B, select the break point and select the condition for it
to stop. It was also really easy to enable and disable break points.
So, of course, Microsoft has to make life difficult in version 7. Now,
when you do control-B you get a lot of options, none of which appear to
be as good as the nice simple control they had in version 6. If they
are not improving something, why can they not just leave it alone?

[Jerry Coffin]

Post by M***@excite.com
In MSVC++ Version 6, if you wanted to control break points, you just
did control-B, select the break point and select the condition for it
to stop. It was also really easy to enable and disable break points.
So, of course, Microsoft has to make life difficult in version 7.
Now, when you do control-B you get a lot of options, none of which
appear to be as good as the nice simple control they had in version
6. If they are not improving something, why can they not just leave
it alone?

Because the people now designing the IDE are so clueless they simply
don't realize that they're breaking everything they touch.

--
Later,
Jerry.

The universe is a figment of its own imagination.

[Tim Robinson]

Post by Jerry Coffin
Because the people now designing the IDE are so clueless they simply
don't realize that they're breaking everything they touch.

My pet hate is the 7.x Find in Files dialog. Luckily the 8.0 dialog is
much simpler.

[Jerry Coffin]

Post by Tim Robinson

Post by Jerry Coffin
Because the people now designing the IDE are so clueless they
simply don't realize that they're breaking everything they
touch.

My pet hate is the 7.x Find in Files dialog. Luckily the 8.0 dialog
is much simpler.

Actually, you did a nice job of gently pointing out a rather serious
error on my part: I should not have said "now designing", but should
have been more specific about "those who designed the VS 7.x IDE". The
VS 8.0 IDE is a drastic improvement over its immediate predecessor, and
while I'm not sure it's as good as VS 6.0 was, at least it's not
immediately obvious that it's drastically worse.

--
Later,
Jerry.

The universe is a figment of its own imagination.

[Tim Robinson]

Post by Jerry Coffin

Post by Tim Robinson
My pet hate is the 7.x Find in Files dialog. Luckily the 8.0 dialog
is much simpler.

Actually, you did a nice job of gently pointing out a rather serious
error on my part: I should not have said "now designing", but should
have been more specific about "those who designed the VS 7.x IDE". The
VS 8.0 IDE is a drastic improvement over its immediate predecessor, and
while I'm not sure it's as good as VS 6.0 was, at least it's not
immediately obvious that it's drastically worse.

I'm glad you like it -- can't wait for Beta 2!

I'm told the VS 2002 IDE was a ground-up rewrite, and it shows.

[Stephen Kellett]

Post by Jerry Coffin

Post by Tim Robinson
My pet hate is the 7.x Find in Files dialog.

Truly appalling.

Post by Jerry Coffin

Post by Tim Robinson
Luckily the 8.0 dialog
is much simpler.

Actually, you did a nice job of gently pointing out a rather serious
error on my part: I should not have said "now designing", but should
have been more specific about "those who designed the VS 7.x IDE".

The Visual Studio team got an enormous amount of flak for VS7.0 and
VS7.1. The MVPs really laid into them, some of them posting long rants
on their websites about how poor it was. Apparently MVPs get listened to
more than most by Microsoft.

Post by Jerry Coffin
The
VS 8.0 IDE is a drastic improvement over its immediate predecessor, and
while I'm not sure it's as good as VS 6.0 was, at least it's not
immediately obvious that it's drastically worse.

Its not as good. Getting there though. Amazing they should break
something as good as 6.0.

Stephen

[M***@excite.com]

Post by Tim Robinson

Post by Jerry Coffin
Because the people now designing the IDE are so clueless they simply
don't realize that they're breaking everything they touch.

My pet hate is the 7.x Find in Files dialog. Luckily the 8.0 dialog is
much simpler.

I'm not crazy about that either but I have to admit I found that
problem fairly minor compared to the control-B fiasco. In the latter
case they took something really good and really screwed it up.

[Stephen Kellett]

Post by M***@excite.com
I'm not crazy about that either but I have to admit I found that
problem fairly minor compared to the control-B fiasco. In the latter
case they took something really good and really screwed it up.

Strange isn't it? I've never known about Control-B for breakpoints. For
breakpoints were Alt-F9 to get the breakpoint dialog and F9 to insert
them and Ctrl-F9 to toggle each breakpoint on/off but leave in situ.

Stephen

[M***@excite.com]

Post by Stephen Kellett

Post by M***@excite.com
I'm not crazy about that either but I have to admit I found that
problem fairly minor compared to the control-B fiasco. In the latter
case they took something really good and really screwed it up.

Strange isn't it? I've never known about Control-B for breakpoints. For
breakpoints were Alt-F9 to get the breakpoint dialog and F9 to insert
them and Ctrl-F9 to toggle each breakpoint on/off but leave in situ.

Alt-F9 doesn't seem to do anything in version 7. Ctl_F9 seems to
toggle the current breakpoint between enabled and disabled. With
version 6 you could use Ctl-B so set conditions. I guess you still can
but it certainly not as obvious how to do it as it was in version 6.

[Sarge]

Post by Jerry Coffin

Post by M***@excite.com
In MSVC++ Version 6, if you wanted to control break points, you just
did control-B, select the break point and select the condition for it
to stop. It was also really easy to enable and disable break points.
So, of course, Microsoft has to make life difficult in version 7.
Now, when you do control-B you get a lot of options, none of which
appear to be as good as the nice simple control they had in version
6. If they are not improving something, why can they not just leave
it alone?

Because the people now designing the IDE are so clueless they simply
don't realize that they're breaking everything they touch.
--
Later,
Jerry.
The universe is a figment of its own imagination.

Amen, brother. Clueless.
--Sarge